Quelques images Z432

[Sean]

http://www.7tune.com/feature-the-fairlady-zed-432r/

[greg71z]

Je la connaissais celle là ! la voici avec le son !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5zWzcvLgoo&feature=plcp

[Sean]

.....sauf que ce n'est pas une vraie.....!

[greg71z]

Comment vois-tu que c'est une fausse ??

C'est je pense la même que celle-ci : http://www.7tune.com/odd-spot-ultr-r...-z/#more-10765

[Sean]

C'est basé sur une vraie Z432 mais ce n'est pas une vraie Z432-R !

[greg71z]

Explique nous pourquoi ?

[Sean]

Non.
Mais je connais ou c'était fait, comment et pourquoi :

"....so much of it was the owner / restorer's idea of what he wanted a 432R to be that it hasn't got much 432R-ness left about it ( not that it ever did, as it's actually based on a stock 432... )......"

[Sean]

A vous de choisir votre site de traduction préfèré :

I (pas moi mais le 'guru') just posted some comments on the article at 7 Tune. Let's see if they "approve" them and publish....

Here's what I wrote:

Quite a lot of mistakes in this article.

First of all, I'd say it's highly unlikely that this car has covered just 5000km from new. It's more likely that it has covered 5000km since the speedo was reset at restoration time.

The "various circular cuts" in the unibody were certainly not a factory feature on the 432R, and are a later attempt to make the car lighter.

This car is missing the thin 'leather look' vinyl covering for the trans tunnel that was stock on the 432R, as well as the headlining, the moulded rubber mats on the floor and the thin urethane rear floor cover. The dash has been re-covered / re-skinned, and the seats are recent re-makes of the original Ikeda Bussan items too. The steering wheel is the stock, early ( solid spoke ) shallow dish item that was seen on ALL the Japanese market Fairladies until the vented spoke version was phased in, and there's nothing 432R-specific about it. The horn push was unique to the 432 and 432R in having a red-coloured 'Z' motif ( L-gata engined models got a blue 'Z' ) and the owner might like to note that his horn push is upside down in the photos....

The performance figures you give for the 432R are not the figures that the factory quoted. When the 432R was sold new, the S20 engines were exactly the same as those fitted to the contemporary 432 model, except that they came without the cold air box over the carbs and the air filter box in front of the radiator support. It was up to the owners to spec them to their choice of performance level. Same story with the transmission ratios and diff ratio, which the 432R shared with the stock 432. Owners had to pay extra and buy the different ratios from the Nissan 'Sports Option' lists.

The stacked rear exit exhaust was not unique to the 432 and 432R, as it was offered as an extra-cost showroom option on the L20A and L24-engined Japanese market Fairlady models too.

Your quote of the 432R being "22% lighter than stock" doesn't make sense. You appear to be comparing the 432R to the weight of one market's '240Z', as though the '240Z' is the stock base-line. Any weight comparison only really makes sense when you compare the 432R to the 'stock' 432.

The wheels on the car are not the stock Kobe Seiko '432' wheels you are calling them, and are in fact a set of replica Kobe Seiko Nissan works 'Rally Mag' wheels ( note the vented spokes and 7j width as opposed to the 432 wheel's solid spokes and narrower width ) and are probably aluminium Revive Jalopy items, like many of the other details on the car.

There's a lot about this car that a true 432R scholar would pick up on as being less than original-looking, and indeed if you add it all up it starts to look like a stock 432 has been restored / modified to a 432R-ish look with some extra bells and whistles and owner-specced preferences. I could say more but I'll keep at least some of my powder dry...


I know a bit more about the car than I can say. I don't know if the current Thai owner knows the full story or not, so I'll have to bite my tongue a little. Suffice to say that the car has some 432R-ish details about it, but all of those details are now being reproduced by certain Japanese specialists and it's relatively easy to turn a stock 432 into a 432R lookalike i you are so minded. The hard part is the unibody itself, so unless you start pressing up different gauge sheetmetal sections for the rebuild that is pretty hard to replicate ( or fake... ).

There's a list of the chassis numbers of the 432R models that the factory sold to the general public, and which were licensed for road use. Nuff said, I think.

[Sean]

Une autre.......

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/t...40Z&mid=145229

I never understood though, why they didn't do a proper homologation special version of the 240Z by fitting the wonderful S20 6 cyl 24v DOHC triple sidedraft carb'd engine from the original 1969 Skyline GT-R..?

They did. It was called the 'Fairlady Z432' ( model code 'PS30' ). It had a super lightweight sibling - the 'Fairlady Z432-R' ( model code 'PS30-SB' ) - which had thinner gauge steel and some fibreglass body panels, acrylic windows, race seats and lots of 'delete' options, and was built to homologate the model for Japanese GT racing. You won't read about them in articles like this, because the author is following the same "Made for the USA" theme that so many other journos follow when talking about the S30-series Z family...

Too much emphasis on Yutaka Katayama here too. The design team working on the S30-series family were greatly encouraged by Katayama, but they were working on a family of models ( both RHD and LHD, and L20A, L24 and S20-engined ) and Katayama walked into the story when it was already underway. No denying Katayama's influence, but the designers and engineers working in Japan had just as much if not more influence than "Mr K.". How about a shout for Yoshihiko Matsuo and his team?

Articles like this also seem to overlook the great differences between those "USA" market cars and all the others. The USA / Canada market 'HLS30U' model was effectively a dumbed down and softened up Z - with softer springing and damping, no rear anti-roll bar ( when all other markets got one from the beginning of production ), a slower steering rack ratio, and an arguably non-sporting 4-speed trans and 3.364 diff ratio ( when all other markets got a 5-speed and 3.9 diff ). The HLS30U may have sold in great numbers, but high sales figures don't indicate a 'better' car, and the S30-series was designed and engineered with a natural bias towards the RHD configuration ( although great effort was made to ensure the LHD layout worked well ). One thing they didn't change with the RHD and LHD configurations was the handbrake lever, which was always on the right side of the trans tunnel regardless of RHD or LHD model.

The mind boggles at the thought of two extra cylinders being "welded on" to a Nissan L4 engine. In fact, those L4s has DNA shared with the first Nissan 'L-Gata' engine, the 'L20' SOHC 6 of the 1965 H130-model 'Cedric Special Six'. This engine never made it to the USA, so many journalists have presumed that the four-cylinder L-series engines were the 'first'. Not so.

Still, at least the article doesn't mention the dreaded 'Count' Albrecht Goertz...

[Lazeum]

2-3 photos pour déterrer ce sujet avec des clichés très sympathiques
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C'est l'échappement et le réservoir d'essence que je trouve cool





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[davidonthemoon]

Elle est superbe... oo

[jizial]

C'est vrai que c'est magnifique!!!!

[jean-marie]

aahh !! la fameuse Z432 avec le fameux S20, est-il vrais qu'il n'y en a eu que 3 de ou me trompe-je.... non parce que des fois j'comprend pas ce que lis, c'est ballot hein...